This is not about Dr.Ambedkar or Arun Shouri.Mr.Shouri has already been answered by
many(Lucky to not have a fatwa issued against him).
Shouri criticized Dr.Ambedkar for not contributing in the freedom struggle.I wonder why didnt he criticize Gandhi for not contributing in Scientific Reserch? But this is not even about Gandhi. This is about another false god called Bal Gangadhar Tilak....an aspect of Tilak about which no one dares to speak about.
Shouri criticized Ambedkar for not co-operating with Mahatma. I am going to speak about Tilak’s relation with another (true) Mahatma of this country..Mahatma Phule and Shahu Maharaj.To expose people like Tilak is always going to be a lengthy task.So readers are requested to have some patience.
This begins with the days when no one knew who were Tilak and Agarkar.Tilak and Agarkar had written in favor of the descendents of Shivaji Maharaj.They tried to expose the ill treatment of the descendants. This angered the Brahmin community and a Brahmin by the name Barve took them to the court .This happened in 1882.Tilak and Agarkar were jailed for that at dongri(Bombay).The bail amount was not small. It was Rs 10,000/- in 1882.Mahatma Phule came to his rescue then.Mahatma Phule ordered the treasurer of Satya Shodha Samaj, Ramsheth BapuSheth Uravne to gather the necessary amount. When Tilak and Agarkar were jailed for the first time in their life no Joshi, Kulkarni, Deshpande,Paranjpe came forward to help. This is what Tilak observed latter in his "Kesri". Tilak and Agakrar lost the case and had to suffer imprisonment for 3 months. When they came out Phule ordered his another associate and right hand man Narayan Medhaji Lokhande to take out a huge procession of these two.
First public recognition of Tilak and Agarkar was given by Mahatma Jyotirao Phule.
Both of them were given letter of honor which said "You have taken lot of trouble for Shivaji Maharaj which is why we people are behind you.Our instincts say you will be a great leader tomorrow. We have just one request, instead of leading only the Brahmins lead everyone and you will become the leader of India."
Now what did these two leaders reward Mahatma Phule with? When Mahatma Phule passed away Tilak didn’t even bother to mention that in his Kesri!!! And Agarkar...the social reformer? Even he didnt feel it necessary to mention the death news of the only social reformer to be called as Mahatma in his "Sudharak"!!!
Why did he change so much ?
Now who was fuelling this anti Shahu Maharaj feeling? It was none other than Mr.Bal Gangadhar Tilak. And he did not start his work after Shahu Maharaj dismissed Rajopadhyay. Rajopadhyay's episode was known to Tilak and to support the fellow brahmin, even before Shahu Maharaj gave his first notice.Tilak in his "Kesri" dated 26th Oct 1902 and 30th Oct 1902(kesri was bi-weekly at that time) wrote in his editorial's a column titled "Vedokta ani Marathe Karma"(vedic and maratha deeds).
And read carefully what Tilak has to say...
"Because of learning english language, today’s Maratha's have gone INSANE. They have gone insane and thats why they are demanding rights to Vedic Mantras."
About Shivaji Maharaj, Tilak writes "...Chatrapati Shivaji worked hard for Go-Brahmin, Hinduism and Gods. So as a return favor we brahmins had granted him the honour of being a Kshatriya..."
Tilak does a favour on Shivaji Maharaj !!!
"..current Marathas are worthless for such kind of favours. So no Maratha's can get the rights to vedic mantra's".
That very Tilak was down on his knees before the british government to maintain the interest of his caste.
On 23rd May 1903 on Tilak's urging Rajopadhyay appealed again to the next higher authority, Bombay governer. This was also rejected on 10 Oct 1903.
Tilak again urged Rajopadhyay to appeal to the final authority, the govt of India which he did on 5th Jan 1905 and again a supplementary application on 10th April 1905.9th May 1905 the final verdict came from the governor general Lord Curzon and here too Shahu Maharaj was the winner.
Now Tilak writes in his "Kesri " let us solve this issue by the way of talks.” As
long as the option of court was open, the Maratha's were insane, but when all the options
closed down, Tilak wanted to talk to insane Shahu Maharaj. Now he writes "Shahu became the hier to the throne. He has been done the Rajyabhishek. So we Brahmins are ready to recognize him alone as Kshatriya".
Tilak who till 1902 thought the Marathas as worthless for having Vedic Mantra, after the court verdict started saying Shahu Maharajs demands were not invalid as he had his Rajya Abhishek done. Didnt he knew that in 1902?Anyways continuing...Shahu Maharaj wanted to accept this Tilaks propsal.
There are many more things about Tilak that can be said, about the threat to burn down the pandals of the congress in pune if they addressed to the problems of the untouchables in 1905.But those will be unnecessary. Tilak has shown in many ways that he was a firm believer of Hinduism and the supremacy of the brahmins over the common people. Hinduism say it clearly that the shudras are only slaves of the remaining castes. He never ever bothered for their freedom from the caste shackles. So will it be to outrageous to assume that while he said "Swaraj is My Birth Right", his definition of Swaraj meant Brahmin Raj? Did he fight for the rule of the people or for the rule of the Brahmins?Mr Shouri isnt this one of the false gods that the people are worshipping at large? We are waiting for your Worshipping the false Gods Part 2.
Nice!
Very enlightening indeed!!!Some of the facts about Tilak's casteist mentality are already in the public domain,but what has been brought out above is really a ground-breaking material.Infact, I would also like to add that,while Tilak was always a staunch brahmin and a casteist one at that,life creates such circumstances that, it sometimes makes a mockery of the rigid,obstinate & stubborn positions one takes.Bal Gangadhar Tilak was a casteist and never made any bones about it.However,should we call it poetic justice that,his wada in Pune(or is it Ratnagiri) was the venue of foundation of the Samata Sainik Dal by Dr.Ambedkar.Infact, I would further would also like to share that, Tilak's son was a very very good friend of Dr.Ambedkar.Should we call it a tragedy of errors that, later Tilak's son committed suicide and while one of copy of the suicide note was marked to the collector of Ratnagiri the other was marked to Dr.Ambedkar !!!!!!!!!!Tilak would surely be wobbling in his grave !!!!!!!1
टिळकांवर चिखलफेक करताना “फक्त भटमान्यच” असे विशेषण लावले जाते, बहुदा “लाल-बाल-पाल” ह्या त्रयीने काय घडविले होते हे यांना ठाऊक नसावे. बंगालमध्ये शिवजयंतीचा उत्सव टिळकांनीच सुरु केला होता. टिळकांना इंग्रजस सरकारने हवापालटासाठी मंडालेयात पाठवले नव्हते हे देखिल यांना माहित नसावे. टिळकांना ६ वर्षांची शिक्षा झाली तेव्हा लाखो गिरणी कामगारांनी मुंबईत ६ दिवसांचा संप केला होता जो भारतात इंग्रजां विरुध्द कामगारांनी केलेला “पहिला संप” होता. ते भटमान्य असते तर हे झाले असते का? लोकमान्य बाळ गंगाधर टिळक हे सर्व भारताचे “तिलक महाराज” झाले बंगालचे “बडेदादा” झाले ते कसे? काहितरी आचरटागत लिहायच कि झालं??? यांनी भांडारकर फोडल्यावर जेव्हा यांच्या उपद्रवी कार्यकर्त्यांना पोलिसांनी पकडले होते तेव्हा एखाद्या दुकानदाराने दुकानाचे अर्धे शटर तरी खाली केले होते काय? आपण कोण आहोत? गल्लीच्या पलीकडे आपल्याला कोणी ओळखतो का? आपला पगार किती आपण बोलतो कीती? याचा विचार न करता फक्त बरळत रहायचं इतकच यांना येतं. हे शिवश्री खेडेकर सर, नरके सर अश्या थाटात लिहितात कि हे कोणा गुरुदेव रविंद्रनाथांबद्दल, लिओ टॉल्स्टॉय बद्दलक किंवा मार्क्स बद्दल सांगत असावेत.
"Now who was fuelling this anti Shahu Maharaj feeling? It was none other than Mr.Bal Gangadhar Tilak."
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"चिरोलच्या ’दि अनरेस्ट एन इंडिया’ या लोकमान्यांवर आणि चित्पावन ब्राह्मणांवर गरळ ओकणारे पुस्तक त्याचे मराठी भाषांतर भास्कर्तरव जाधव व अण्णासाहेब लठ्ठे व प्रो.म.गो.डोंगरे या तिघांनी केले व ते पुस्तक स्वखर्चाने छापून शाहूमहाराजांनी फुकट वाटले."
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"टिळकांच्या वकिलांनी १९०१ ते १९०८ या काळातले केसरीचे अंक समोर ठेऊन प्रश्न केला की टिळकांनी शाहुमहाराजांच्या वेदोक्ताच्या अधिकाराला कोठे विरिध केला ते दाखवा काअरण या ब्राह्मण द्वेषाने प्रेरित झालेल्यांनी तसा लेखी व तोंडि प्रचार केला होता. तेव्हा या दोघांनीही टिळकांनी वेदोक्ताच्या संबंधात लोकमान्यांनी शाहूमहाराजांना कधिही विरोध केला नाही हे कबूल केले. डोंगरे म्हणाले वेदोक्त प्रकरणात व्यक्तीश: छत्रपतिंविरुद्ध टिळकांनी लिहिल्याचे मला दाखवता येणार नाही. किंबहुना शिवाजीच्या वंशजांना वेदोक्ताचा अधिकार आहेच असे टिळक म्हणत होते असे मला वाटते."
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शाहु महाराजांनी ताई महाराज प्रकरणात टिळकांच्या विरोधातील मंडळींना काय काय मदत केली होती? आणि इतके करुन टिळक निर्दोष सुटले होते याचे काय?
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टिळक जर्मनीत असते तर त्यांना एखद्या कुत्र्याप्रमाणे गोळ्या घालुन मारले असते असे जाहिर विधान शाहुंनी केले होते त्याबद्दल काय म्हणायचे आहे?
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याबद्दल काहि म्हणायचे आहे का? किंवा म्हणण्यासारखे काहि आहे का?
नसेल तर हा पोस्ट उडवा!
Mr.Anonymous why donn u mind your own business??Lay off maan,ur contentions doubly prove that Tilak was castiest to the core!!!!!!!!
"Mr.Anonymous why donn u mind your own business??Lay off maan,ur contentions doubly prove that Tilak was castiest to the core!!!!!!!!"
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शुऽऽऽऽक!
वरील प्रश्नांची उत्तरे नसतील तर चुप्प बसा.
...........if you cant speak English...dont come here ...this blog is not for half-literate,mannerless,dignityless,without any upbringing, frogs of the well...who call themselves brahmins......
आम्हांला मराठी बोलायला लाज नाहि वाटत. आणि इंग्रजी आले म्हणजे सगळी अक्कल आली असे नव्हे. कारण तसे असते तर वरील बिनडोक लेख लिहिलेच नसते. तुमच्याकडे उत्तर नाहित असे सरळ सांगा. किंवा मराठी बोलायची लिहायची लाज वाटत असेल तर तसे सांगा. मग समजेल कि महाराष्ट्राचा-बहुजनांचा उध्दार कोण करतय ते.
आणि इथे येउन मी तुमच्या थोबाडावर प्रश्न फेकले आहेत त्याची उत्तरे देता येत नाहि याची लाज तुम्हांला वाटायला हवी.
आणि अजुन एक महत्वाचा सल्ला तुम्हांला देतोय जो तुम्हांला विरोध करतो तो प्रत्येक जण ब्राह्मण असे सरधोपट गणित मांडु नका नाहितर आत्ता चुकला आहात तसे आयुष्यभरअ चुकाल.
वंदे मातरम!
My dear Ghaatibhai if u do not know English,there's nothing to be ashamed of.Also, by replying in Marathi,u have shown how much'akkal'u have!!!!!!!!!!!!As for me being ashamed,why do you forget my dear ghaaati,it was you who displayed your'besharampana" in the first place by completely ignoring the valid points & facts which have been put forward by the threadstarter.OR should we assume that the first pre-condition/qualification for being the follower of Tilak is to be , shameless, coward, and indulge in "BAANDI MUJORI"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!JAI BHEEM
अरे रे! उत्तरे नाहियेत रे माझ्या प्रश्नांची तर कसे मुंडके कापलेल्या कोंबडिसारखे थयथयाट करत आहेत बघा! च्चक च्चक च्चक!!